[tnkw]

and currently i am selling my car

99 CW Integra Type R

and my friend is selling he's cars

99 Audi A4 and 91 MR2 Turbo

if u are interested in them drop me an email @ tnkw@hotmail.com

[2JZGE]

in long run, its not as reliable as the japanese cars

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disagree. Any car with proper maintainence is just as good as any!

Case in point, we have a 1992 Chrysler Town and Country. Been runing for 12+ years, and its still PROBLEM FREE!. (well, a lot of exterior scratches, and replaced timing belt).. but other than that, nothing is wrong with the car. The instrumentation did not break down, or any of the windows and etc.

anyhow,

what 2nd hand car is the best? Well, $$ rule still applies here. The more expensive 2nd hand car u can get, the probability of those cars being reliable is also higher.

just like asking for a new car, what is your budget?

For starters, Jap cars are probably the first one you look for.

Luxury cars? Lexus pre-owned are very nice and problem free with regular maintainence. I30s are great buy right now, since I series, I suspect them being any longer.

2000+ accords are great buys too.


Personally, if you have a $25K range, I'd go for a 2000 I30!! or even a I35 (260hp! )

[tnkw]

now, i don't really want to get into the issue of reliablity of "the" car. Of course, with proper maintainece, all cars can live longer.

Now, as for what u said about

"Any car with proper maintainence is just as good as any!"

there's a x factor in your statement. Every different cars requires different kind of maintaineces. Turbo cars, supercharge cars, rotary cars, piston cars, they all requires different amount of time and money to have a "proper" maintanence. However, lets put it this way, if we just do oil change every 3000km (this is like the basic basic maintanence job) on a lets say, 98 ford mustane, 98 honda civic, 95 rx7 (just to throw in a rotary engine car), and a 98 BMW 323i. Which car do you think will break down first? considering they start with the same milage, and no car was before the buyer purchased the car. Don't tell me that you will think they will all encounter problems in the same time.

What i mean by reliability of the cars is that if a person just want to do minimum maintanence job, a Japanese car is the best choice since it will "most" unlikely to have a problem.

[eason_c]

American Cars are cheap in parts.

[2JZGE]

now, i don't really want to get into the issue of reliablity of "the" car. Of course, with proper maintainece, all cars can live longer.

Now, as for what u said about

"Any car with proper maintainence is just as good as any!"

there's a x factor in your statement. Every different cars requires different kind of maintaineces. Turbo cars, supercharge cars, rotary cars, piston cars, they all requires different amount of time and money to have a "proper" maintanence. However, lets put it this way, if we just do oil change every 3000km (this is like the basic basic maintanence job) on a lets say, 98 ford mustane, 98 honda civic, 95 rx7 (just to throw in a rotary engine car), and a 98 BMW 323i. Which car do you think will break down first? considering they start with the same milage, and no car was before the buyer purchased the car. Don't tell me that you will think they will all encounter problems in the same time.

What i mean by reliability of the cars is that if a person just want to do minimum maintanence job, a Japanese car is the best choice since it will "most" unlikely to have a problem.

There is a premise in my statement. See the term "proper maintainence"?

Personally, with such a vague term, to answer such a vague question, I would say, the definition of "proper maintainence" is virtually subjective that varies from person to person. Use your example. 3000 miles for a service. Same miliage, 95 RX7, 98 Civic, or 98 BMW or whatever, i dont care. The chances of they breaking up at the same time is slim to none, but not impossible. Sure, its slim.


I hope you did not omit my 2nd part of msg, where I clearly indicated "jap cars are the cars you probably would want to start looking".

By any means, i would infer your initial starting point targetted on Japanese cars, and why start with japanese cars? Because I believe they are the most reliable of the bunch.


It is your own interpretation and subjective generlization that american cars do break down a lot. Sure, they do, and they DO score one of the lowest in terms of customer satisfaction on the reliability of the vehicles. I am simply saying, with "proper maintainence", an american car can be a reliable car as well.

I agree with "what you meant" if you can simply read my posts??


What is so wrong with such statement of "any car with proper maintainence can be as reliable as any"?

Do not tell me, you believe that, a car with improper maintainence can still be reliable?? Does that mean, you only do small services such as oil change and you would expect the car to last 100K miles? or 500K miles??

:nono:

[tnkw]

japanese cars (piston engine in this case) can last longer than american cars under same kind of maintainence. I do agree that any car w/ proper maintanence can last as long as any other cars out there, no doubt about that.

Its just that you first disagree about my statement on in general, japanese cars is more reliable than american cars. Then u say that american cars are as reliable as the japanese cars under "proper maintanence". However, you failed to explain what is proper maintanence mean in your statement. Does it mean that japanese car and american car will last equally long (in general) w/ same amout of maintanence? or you will have to spent different amount of money maintain different cars. Your statement makes a person think that with the same amount of energy and money maintanening both japanese and american cars will result in same reliability, which in general, is wrong.

Then you turn around and say you agree on what i said? what is the first sentence on ur post? In deed you did reconmend getting a japanese car as a first second hand car, but again, you failed to say why. My bad, you did, "with regular maintanence, the car will probabily be problem free". However, this statement apply to all the cars out there. Therefore, you are not agreeing on my statement.

I am not saying you are wrong, and don't get me wrong, i am not trying to be hostile or anything, i just want to make things clear for the post starter to know that not all the cars are the same in term of reliability, and in general, if you don't really like to maintain cars or just drive around and beats the hell out of it, japanese car will probabily last longer.

[2JZGE]

japanese cars (piston engine in this case) can last longer than american cars under same kind of maintainence. I do agree that any car w/ proper maintanence can last as long as any other cars out there, no doubt about that.

Its just that you first disagree about my statement on in general, japanese cars is more reliable than american cars. Then u say that american cars are as reliable as the japanese cars under "proper maintanence". However, you failed to explain what is proper maintanence mean in your statement. Does it mean that japanese car and american car will last equally long (in general) w/ same amout of maintanence? or you will have to spent different amount of money maintain different cars. Your statement makes a person think that with the same amount of energy and money maintanening both japanese and american cars will result in same reliability, which in general, is wrong.

Then you turn around and say you agree on what i said? what is the first sentence on ur post? In deed you did reconmend getting a japanese car as a first second hand car, but again, you failed to say why. My bad, you did, "with regular maintanence, the car will probabily be problem free". However, this statement apply to all the cars out there. Therefore, you are not agreeing on my statement.

I am not saying you are wrong, and don't get me wrong, i am not trying to be hostile or anything, i just want to make things clear for the post starter to know that not all the cars are the same in term of reliability, and in general, if you don't really like to maintain cars or just drive around and beats the hell out of it, japanese car will probabily last longer.

Are you reading my posts?

I quoted specifically on where my disagreement lies.

I disagreed with your statement of

in long run, its not as reliable as the japanese cars

Now, I put down some simple, without further detail, reasonings of " If you maintain your vehicle properly, american cars are as good as any".

By that, I am implying, if you do ur services right, drive "normally", an american car can run as far and as long as any other japanese cars.
Case in point, I even provided you an example of the chrysler van that we have in the family.


Now, you are accusing me of switching back and forth?

check again my very first post,

Where did I say I disagree with Japanese cars?

Now, look down further, did you see that

For starters, Jap cars are probably the first one you look for

By all logical sense, I would imply that Japanese cars are reliable, and that is why you "start with japanese cars"? If you misunderstood those 2 parts, my apologies, and I hope statements are now as clear as it is now.

If you look further down, all of the recommandations that I have made are surrounding japanese cars. Example, Accord and I30?


Now, check again my first post, I believe i have quoted your "short reply", so what I typed there was also a response to such.


Because, your first post was a simple and general one; hence, not suprisingly, my response was a rather simple/general one.

Now, if you want to go into detail on how you make an oil change, as an example, I cant argue with you on that. Because I personally have not done any oil change myself, nor have I ever changed my timing belt and I have no expertise regarding such skills; therefore, i am on no ground to start an argument on "how" you should maintain your car "properly".
Now, I guess you expected to include these

X factors

? Well, you may start a topic on that if you wish, but I was simply making a statement of "possible alternatives".

A person put in the same amount of care and awareness into maintaining a car, with normal driving and accident free, then I do not see why american cars cannot last as long as the japanese ones.

I am not arguing on your subjective generalization of "all americans cars are less reliable than japanese cars", but rather, I am simply stating, in disagreement that, "american cars can be just as good as any cars (japanese cars) out there running, with proper maintainence (which would imply proper care? no? )"

[tnkw]

subjective generalization ?? its a fact that every car magzines rates japanes car as a more reliable car then american cars. I am subjective in this way? i don't think so, i am just stating the facts.

"I am not arguing on your subjective generalization of "all americans cars are less reliable than japanese cars", but rather, I am simply stating, in disagreement that, "american cars can be just as good as any cars (japanese cars) out there running, with proper maintainence (which would imply proper care? no? )""

Its like you are saying, "Africans cookers can cook good chinese food compare to any Chinese cookers out there, "IF" they have the same cooking skill and experience"

no doubt ur statment is right :good: